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Hello to all Does anyone know when the senate bill S. 1177 will
be voted on ?

Richard Faller Smokes for &9.95 a carton http://www.lowcostsmokes.com




From: RAYNAGEOTTE DelphiPlusMember Icon Jun-19 11:14 am To: TITAN112
DelphiPlusMember Icon (2 of 11) 791.2 in reply to 791.1 You may want
to read about this proposed federal ban on internet sales of cigarettes
by going to the New York city website called C.L.A.S.H. (Citizens
Lobbying Against Smokers Harassment). Click on to www.nycclash.com



Read the ACTION ALERT articles also about the internet sale of cigarettes
in NY and how the governor himself (a rumor? )would rather be relieved
of this law and wants you to call his office and object to this legislation.
Call 518-474-8390 and say "I object to public health law 1399-11."


However, I did not find when this new bill S.1177. will be voted
on. We must act now before S1177 is considered by the full Judiciary
Committee!

Ray Nageotte Referral Member # 1941



From: RUSSRAMAN DelphiPlusMember Icon Jun-19 3:19 pm To: RAYNAGEOTTE
DelphiPlusMember Icon (3 of 11) 791.3 in reply to 791.2 Anyone opposed
to the passage of S. 1177 should write their Senators and express
their opinions. Here's a sample letter you could use:

Tell your Senator:



"I am an adult smoker and I vote. A bill has been introduced in the
Senate, S. 1177, which would end my ability to purchase the cigarette
brand of my choice over the Internet. I urge you to vote against
S. 1177. This bill interferes with my rights as a consumer to purchase
legal products on the Internet. I'll be watching how you vote, so
I can decide how I will vote."



(A bill has been introduced in the U.S. Senate that will prevent
you from purchasing the cigarette brand of your choice over the Internet.
If you live in the states of Arizona, Utah, Iowa, Pennsylvania, Ohio,
Alabama, South Carolina, Idaho, Georgia, Texas, Vermont, Massachusetts,
Delaware, Wisconsin, California, New York, Illinois or North Carolina,
it is vitally important that you write, call, e-mail or fax your
Senator or Senators, urging them to vote against S. 1177.

Tell these Senators you are an adult consumer, and should be able
to purchase the brand of your choice, the same way you can purchase
other legal products over the Internet.)



From: Ron Robinson (AFE1199) DelphiPlusMember Icon Jun-20 1:10 am
To: RUSSRAMAN DelphiPlusMember Icon unread (4 of 11) 791.4 in reply
to 791.3 I really wish I could believe that petitioning the traitors
running this little horse and pony show ensconced on Pennsylvania
Avenue would do a lick of good. But I will tell you that from personal
experience, I know better. I trust criminals more than I trust this
government. Sometimes criminals will give you a fighting chance and
play fair. Sometimes they have consciences.



I would like to think that if their actions are unconstitutional
we could do something about it. But some haven’t noticed that the
Constitution has been thrown out the window, and the Republic shoved
aside; aided by an incestuously corrupt judicial system with Captain
Hatchet at the helm of this sinking ship. May prosperity forget he
was every one of our countrymen. The thing is, most people remain
unaware that this is so because they simply do not know the truth
- what lies beyond the myths. Your democratic elected servants are
not going to tell you either.



If we want to restore our freedom, it is vital that We The People
join together, with union, and develop effective strategies to deal
with the forced backed authority that threatens our republic. The
nation, as a whole, is running away from the constitution. If we
want to restore our republic, and re-establish our freedom, then
we must eliminate the parasitical elite's financial power base.

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Out of respect for the private property of the owners of this discussion
board, and respect for this business, I will bite my tongue; which
is not an easy thing for me to do right now!



"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably
the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism,
it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government,
and to provide new Guards for their future security." The Declaration
of Independence In Congress, July 4, 1776.

If there are any here wishing to strike the root, please feel free
to drop me a line and I would be happy to share the knowledge I have
gained. In fact, I consider it to be my duty. If you were upset about
the usurpation on your tobacco purchases, you are probably going
to go ballistic!



The cat is out of the bag, the excrement has struck the air-propulsion
unit, and I WILL NOT sit on my hands waiting to be hit by the fallout!


Ron Robinson #9747 americanfree44@hotmail.com



From: Ron Robinson (AFE1199) DelphiPlusMember Icon Jun-20 3:51 am
To: Ron Robinson (AFE1199) DelphiPlusMember Icon (5 of 11) 791.5
in reply to 791.4 By Leander Kahney

1:56 AM Jun. 19, 2003 PT



Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) suggested Tuesday that people who download
copyright materials from the Internet should have their computers
automatically destroyed.

But Hatch himself is using unlicensed software on his official website,
which presumably would qualify his computer to be smoked by the system
he proposes.

The senator's site makes extensive use of a JavaScript menu system
developed by Milonic Solutions, a software company based in the United
Kingdom. The

copyright-protected code has not been licensed for use on Hatch's
website.



"It's an unlicensed copy," said Andy Woolley, who runs Milonic. "It's
very unfortunate for him because of those comments he made." Hatch
on Tuesday surprised a Senate hearing on copyright issues with the
suggestion that technology should be developed to remotely destroy
the computers of people who illegally download music from the Net.
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Hatch said damaging someone's computer "may be the only way you can
teach somebody about copyrights," the Associated Press reported.
He then suggested the technology would twice warn a computer user
about illegal online behavior, "then destroy their computer."



Any such technology would be in violation of federal antihacking
laws. The senator, who chairs the Senate Judiciary Committee, suggested
Congress would have to make copyright holders exempt from current
laws for them to legally destroy people's computers.



On Wednesday, Hatch clarified his comments, but stuck by the original
idea. "I do not favor extreme remedies -- unless no moderate remedies
can be found," he said in a statement. "I asked the interested industries
to help us find those moderate remedies."

Just as well. Because if Hatch's terminator system embraced software
as well as music, his servers would be targeted for destruction.


Milonic Solutions' JavaScript code used on Hatch's website costs
$900 for a site-wide license. It is free for personal or nonprofit
use, which the senator likely qualifies for.

However, the software's license stipulates that the user must register
the software to receive a licensing code, and provide a link in the
source code to Milonic's website.

On Wednesday, the senator's site met none of Milonic's licensing
terms. The site's source code (which can be seen by selecting Source
under the View menu in Internet Explorer) had neither a link to Milonic's
site nor a registration code.

However, by Thursday afternoon Hatch's site had been updated to contain
some of the requisite copyright information. An old version of the
page can be seen by viewing Google's cache of the site.



"They're using our code," Woolley said Wednesday. "We've had no contact
with them. They are in breach of our licensing terms." When contacted
Thursday, Woolley said the company that maintains the senator's site
had e-mailed Milonic to begin the registration process. Woolley said
the code added to Hatch's site after the issue came to light met
some -- but not all -- of Milonic's licensing requirements. Before
the site was updated, the source code on Hatch's site contained the
line: "* i am the license for the menu (duh) *"



Woolley said he had no idea where the line came from -- it has nothing
to do with him, and he hadn't seen it on other websites that use
his menu system.

"It looks like it's trying to cover something up, as though they
got a license," he said.



A spokesman in Hatch's office on Wednesday responded, "That's ironic"
before declining to put Wired News in contact with the site's webmaster.
He deferred comment on the senator's statement to the Senate Judiciary
Committee, which did not return calls.

The apparent violation was discovered by Laurence Simon, an unemployed
system administrator from Houston, who was poking around Hatch's
site after becoming outraged by his comments.



Milonic's Woolley said the senator's unlicensed use of his software
was just "the tip of the iceberg." He said he knows of at least two
other senators using unlicensed copies of his software, and many
big companies.

Continental Airlines, for example, one of the largest airlines in
the United States, uses Woolley's system throughout its Continental.com
website. Woolley said the airline has not paid for the software.
Worse, the copyright notices in the source code have been removed.


"That really pisses me off," he said. A spokesman for Continental
said the airline would look into the matter.

Woolley makes his living from his software. Like a lot of independent
programmers, he struggles to get people to conform to his licensing
terms, let alone pay for his software.



"We don't want blood," he said. "We just want payment for the hard
work we do. We work very, very hard. If they're not prepared to pay,
they're software pirates."





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From: Cozette (COZETTE3) DelphiPlusMember Icon Jun-20 11:12 am To:
RAYNAGEOTTE DelphiPlusMember Icon (6 of 11) 791.6 in reply to 791.2
I agree with Ron that our petitions will probably not do any good.
Especially with just an email. Mail, fax and telephone calls are
much more effective. However there are many of us that can't do it
that way for one reason or the other. May I suggest that those of
us that aren't from the states mentioned in our alert use the following
method to write these dumb bunnies? That will at least alert them
that people in other states are also interested in the outcome of
this outrage. And as a former Texican, I'd like to apologize for
the stupidity of Senator Comyn.



Dear Senator ------:



I am writing you to urge you to vote against a bill currently pending
in the Senate, S.1177. This bill, once again, singles out smokers
and imposes what are clearly unconstitutional restrictions on our
freedom as consumers to purchase legal products in the same way we
can purchase any other legal product.

For too long we have allowed the government to impose clearly unfair
legal burdens on us. I, for one, am tired of it, and intend to watch
how you vote, so I can urge all my friends in {state} to vote accordingly.


Sincerely, Cozette # 329



From: RAYNAGEOTTE DelphiPlusMember Icon Jun-23 8:21 am To: Cozette
(COZETTE3) DelphiPlusMember Icon unread (7 of 11) 791.7 in reply
to 791.6



I agree that by telephone, fax machine, or by hand writing a letter
of protest about S1177 and sending direct using a 37 cent stamp is
more personal and effective than an E-Mail in this case. I have collected
many letters from my bowling league and bingo and bar friends who
I gave a pre-printed letter to fill in their name and adresse and
sign who oppose this bill. I mail several of their letters at one
time to my Senator so I know they will get to him.



Remember, it does not matter if your state is mentioned in this proposed
federal bill or not, for once this bill passes and becomes FEDERAL
it will automatically apply to ALL the states in the U.S.

Correct me if I am wrong, but OT-Direct customers everywhere and
other freedom loving internet shoppers should be aware of this bill
number S1177 and take action to stop it by contacting their own state
Senator and by telling their friends even if they DO NOT use the
internet for smokes!

Sincerly; Ray Nageotte #1941



From: William O. Walls Jr (HD8980) DelphiPlusMember Icon Jun-23 6:33
pm To: RAYNAGEOTTE DelphiPlusMember Icon (8 of 11) 791.8 in reply
to 791.7 that's right first smokes then everything else. If the government
can make money on it they will go after it tooth and nail and drain
every internet entripeneur out there no matter what they sell!!

Bill Walls www.otdirect.com?17701 www.billsonlinegifts.itctv.com
http://ld.net?hd8980



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From: smokes4u DelphiPlusMember Icon Jun-24 1:41 pm To: William O.
Walls Jr (HD8980) DelphiPlusMember Icon (9 of 11) 791.9 in reply
to 791.8 Hi All,

Here is a great letter written by one of my downline.

Art Broecker ***************



Dear Senator:

I am writing you to urge you to vote against a bill currently pending
in the Senate, S.1177. This bill, once again, singles out smokers
like me and imposes what are clearly unconstitutional restrictions
on my freedom as a consumer to purchase legal products in the same
way I can purchase any other legal product. I'm also handicapped!!!
I don't drive!!! Life is so hard and now it's going to be nearly
impossible to continue the one habit I have which brings any sense
of normality to my extremely complicated existence.

For too long we smokers have allowed the government to impose clearly
unfair legal burdens on us. I, for one, am tired of it, and intend
to watch how you vote, so I can vote accordingly. After all, what
country do we live in may I ask??? I bring to this society, not take!!!
Jennifer Colledge (631)344-7300 Brookhaven National Laboratory Collider-Accelerator
Department Communications and Electronic Systems CADCES Building
923



From: RAYNAGEOTTE DelphiPlusMember Icon Jun-26 1:04 pm To: smokes4u
DelphiPlusMember Icon (10 of 11) 791.10 in reply to 791.9 Anyone
can read the actual bill #S1177 by clicking on http://www.theorator.com/bills108/s1177.html
Also, check out www.freedomofchoice.org The Advocacy For Smokers
Rights website operated by smokers for smokers.

Ray Nageotte #1941



From: JeanFL (JEANFFL) DelphiPlusMember Icon Jun-28 8:20 pm To: Cozette
(COZETTE3) DelphiPlusMember Icon unread (11 of 11) 791.11 in reply
to 791.6 Cozette,

I like your idea.

I think every smoker from every state should be alerted on this.
It will effect them all sooner or later. I would suggest sending
the information below to every member in your downline and ask them
to do the same. Also, if you have your own website, you could make
a page with this information on it and blast it to every FFA and
Classified you can find. Search Engines would take too long.



The letter below let's them know that you have friends in their state
that vote also. If this passes it will effect everyone. It won't
matter that your state was not mentioned. Remember when it come to
losing your freedom "Do not ask for Whom the Bell Tolls". "It tolls
for thee".

From Cozettes suggestion: Dear Senator ------: I am writing you to
urge you to vote against a bill currently pending in the Senate,
S.1177. This bill, once again, singles out smokers and imposes what
are clearly unconstitutional restrictions on our freedom as consumers
to purchase legal products in the same way we can purchase any other
legal product. For too long we have allowed the government to impose
clearly unfair legal burdens on us. I, for one, am tired of it, and
intend to watch how you vote, so I can urge all my friends in {state}
to vote accordingly.



Sincerely,

Your Name



Scroll down to Action Allert # 4 for list of Senators and Congressmen
contact info. I think faxing would be preferred. It is a paper record
and much cheaper than mail. http://www.nycclash.com/alerts.html#FedSalesety


Jean Foster Referring Member # 19 www.cigarette-discounts.com http://www.netprofitleads.com/members/jeanffl


"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin 1759


Edited 6/28/2003 11:25:18 PM ET by JeanFL (JEANFFL)

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